INSTITUTION OF ROT

Conversation started December 7, 2011, 11:14pm

Kevin Zdaniecki

Hoi Richard,

I heard the excerpt of Radio Schreber: Soliq/Schizioph Voices and found it excellent. Then looked into Sound Threshold for the whole piece (and resonance 104 FM-in a search for archives) -alas no joy.

Is there a version of the whole piece? If so, what’s the link? At the moment trying to navigate and write a number of portions of the my text into sound and vision etc trying to keep good faith with multimedia, psychoanalytic, and lingual architecture of the ‘visual and sound’ of Judge Schreber’s delusional and hallucinatory experience.

Difficult .But love it/him…

December 8, 2011 3:59pm Richard Crow

no “whole” “version” of the piece – true to the nature of the work it will always be spliting, fragmenting, sounds good what you are working on, perhaps we should chat via skype? after the 14th i can dedicate some time as i said i am remixing certain sections, and at present working on the Sonnenstein (Devils castle) material not sure when that will be up on the italian blog

5:07pm Kevin Zdaniecki

that would be great. Me too…true to the Natural Order (not heard or seen from the forecourt-er, sorry) still trying to put all the man’s different experiences into one continuous understandable story (in spite of the walls in space/time boundaries or a psychotic lack of them) to make sense of the chaos. Sonnenstein-right…you’ve trod there…that material must be interesting. I am sure you’ve read Eric Santner’s socio-historical (+symbolic investiture) take on it all!

Brilliant

December 9, 2011, 5:48pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Richard I have Skype installed. Name: kzclipsy -whats yours so I can add you as a contact. Thank you

December 14, 2011, 6:48pm Kevin Zdaniecki

this project could go on -for 1,2, 8 hrs-even a weekend! Nah, maybe not -just a ‘thought’. Brilliant minds have been fascinated with it for years! (if not under a hundred)..maybe not just sound/voices but other sensory thingies-interventions with delimiting boundaries etc.Mm -Schreber’s psychotic fragmented senses and fractured communications giving, ‘voluptiousness’ and birth, to works which ARTify, psycholog’ise’, Lacananise et al, psychotheopathologise (Prof. Santner) or even make for some tragic, weird romance (poor Sabina and DPS-miscarriages etc) about paranoid schizophrenia with transexual overtones and childhood trauma…..

December 15, 2011, 3:06pm Richard Crow

skype : crow45, i’ll be around later tonight…along with the interferences ps yes i like the eight hours idea, more later

4:35pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Drat and double drat…very difficult tonight…tomorrow possible at all? any time after 3. Now THAT is an interference (and nothing to do with the miracle of completing a linguistic interference i jest-well its been one of them days yes….more then or later

6:46pm Kevin Zdaniecki

i WILL make time now-will leave skype on for 5 mins (time now 6.46)-otherwise at a more convenient time for you. Hope you get this

9:03pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Now on skype..but hang on..having a bit of trouble with the signing in..now back to skype

ok now

December 16, 2011, 10:07am Kevin Zdaniecki

Thank you. You are kind. The ‘Waste’ is to my chagin. I am no artist. O well, ‘wait and see’ is better than an absolute “no”. I wanted to talk about inteferences to Weldungarbeit(?), sonic bridges etc.to approach the voices in the text. Not merely as an academic clinician. So much more to make manifest-i just could’nt seem to get these across. Eitherway when I have a more focus and clear understanding of text/performance I hope we’ll contact again. Sincerely

December 16, 2011, 3:47pm Kevin Zdaniecki

I REALLY did’t think I would be sending another message in such near future (understandably it felt a little like ‘don’t call us..we’ll call you??’-don’t worry its ok!). Following your good advice today i was made aware of an empty old mental health building in Broomfields, Essex (a Sonnenstein??)-i must ring to check that out. Even so it seems the only sources of funding to rent the place would be via the Arts Council (now reducing funding by 100%!!!), independent monies or…blowed if I know! It might be argued that it was educational hence possibly facilitative of …wait for it..wellbeing (don’t laugh richard). Eitherway, have you got any suggestions of how to move forward.

What I’m writing does necessitate a Radio Schreber Channel -the Transexual Saviour’s channel-in each room or level. And double carefully phased echoing (and inter-lapping of contents) of the internal voices-perhaps the externally broadcasted voices and piano snippets-almost randomly attuned to the visual hallucinations (e.g.talking birds, rays from son, birds defecating corpses) or the even the negatives of them! All falling within the Other Worldliness of the linguistics (albeit psychotically fractured and fragmented) used in the text, the detailed ‘god’ structure, Using cardboard boxes could be a start in changing and delimiting space could’nt they. Just noticed the length of message…enough for now. I won’t disturb you again -in the near future without something FAR more concrete –

SORRY!

December 17, 2011, 10:01am Kevin Zdaniecki

PS heard piece re: talk at the freud museum. succint and comprehensive! pity i missed that…drat. o well

December 22, 2011, 5:41pm Kevin Zdaniecki

heard it with the help of a friend. any ideas of how to get protocol items associated with a relevant program for free presentations and videos i.e. to enable free itunes on my Linux? (the other computer has Ubuntu)…maybe this is a case of too much work and not enough

techno making kevin very dull

December 23, 2011, 12:15am Kevin Zdaniecki

sorry, silly question

December 25, 2011, 2:44pm Kevin Zdaniecki

I TRUELY wish you a fantastic day with bags of laughter and

smiles, good sharing, conversation that lights your fire, plenty of tasty morsels, drinkies (whatever does you good), amazingly good thoughts and memories. My dear friend of the imagination. Good Winter Solstice to all. And, of course, happy new year days to come.Hope the down days are few with as little tragedy, sadness, depressive delusions as possible.I’ve a feeling that 2012 is going to be good-in spite of what some say or perform. You’re quite some man who I greatly value and respect as a Facebook friend. Your links are excellent and speak volumes! Thank you for your time in sharing.So

Shine On Crazy Diamond.

Blessings to you and those you love

Try not to work too hard with your abudant energy.

kevin

January 6, 2012, 11:18am Kevin Zdaniecki

I stole a post to share (Anna Teressa Scheer)..sorry Richard.

Plagiarism is usually not my thing but I just like it -it fits the time right now! Hope all goes well with you all

January 17, 2012, 3:27pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Excited by de Certeau’s (the jesuit given time off to think?). I am sure your very aware of http://www.soundthreshold.org/download/decerteau_spatial.pdf

-amazing indeed!

Now i’ve got to a point in the play where Soul (DPS) is not walking thro’ the Institutes (ROT??) maze of corridors and signposted ‘crossroads’ desperate to find the Imaginary Hospital after his encounter with a transexual God who seeks to voluptuously ‘unman’ and impregnate him after changing his bodily gender (and eventually sex organs-he wishes) to change the faults in big G’s original social creation. Soul needs to manipulate this such that God is the consumer-so Soul can then control what is socially controlling him.

Hence the Fathers plan to repopulate to eventual National Rational Socialism is foiled! “Gotcha” voices DFS but THEN THE VOICES and THE meaningful symphony of noises (doors creaking, strings breaking, sounds of the everyday practice of the Wounded Nurses (I know Richard-its an obvious plagiarism of the brilliant work of another-better watch that!) everyday practices of their work in this Imaginary Hospital (sorry- another plagiarism from you!). But Soul chooses the creaking oak door to the appeals court to run through. ” ! wish to appeal. With respect and meaning no harm its just your fools and tools of your trade. But he’s speaking through the slowed down, echoing, derailled voices which ask him to f**k the judges (Kirsy Kant, Jacquii Derrida, Willamena Wiitgenstein and Nora Batty) and sack his attorney Certeau. In this strange court room it was a like being in a Whitechapel Cafe-so many voices -so many cynical greetings- so many distorted voices and sounds. He really had to concentrate…but moved to the exit door to another part of the Institute with more sign posts to choose from but…..

Click to access decerteau_spatial.pdf

http://www.soundthreshold.org

3:53pm Kevin Zdaniecki

As you can obviously see Richard I need help with the sounds, the voices, the acting, the physical and linguistic architecture…the higher German, how and when to represent Tannhauser and Don Giovanni…its got to be when the hell of perpetual pleasure (meant only for the Gods) can be escaped fom. Back to his Fathers teaching of when pleasure is allowed…through work, no idleness, onle knowledge passed on by false status and the unacceptable horror of the fallacy of when and who by authorisation is believed to be valid.

In fact like DPS I’m stuck Sorry I write all this – I really hope I’m not wasting your time even to read it. I’m thinking as an analyst. I can’t approach it as an artist simply because I am not one (an artist that is) Just thought via this very small snippit where I am with it all. Oh well, to use your words its a matter of ‘wait and see’. Thanks anyway – busy now. Suggestions apart from ‘give up’ always more than welcome!!

February 1, 2012, 10:32pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Thanks for the ROT group Richard. Your Scheber post was very good

February 13, 2012, 6:17pm Kevin Zdaniecki

UPDATE (if interested)

Books getting on completion. Schreber Scholar said he’d edit it. Fictional/non-fictional. Play concept revision next/now.Audacity’s Good. Logistics come later!! Mm sonics with Audacity reading for ‘starters’ inc. Which, What fits/others ideas (Ideas??). Bags has been written, and some GREAT movies made, BUT never a play experience (as far as I Know). To include ? political (fascist/capitalistic) persecution, micro (family) persecution-meso/maga power dynamics (in social/political/myth-monotheistic transparency’ People ARN’T paranoid but are/feel persecuted (whats the name of some one who has not been called paranoid, does not feel/know they’re persecuted BUT ARE? – can’t think of one word to cover it? Bonne chance ami.

February 14, 2012, 2:37pm Richard Crow

sounds good

February 23, 2012, 6:44pm Kevin Zdaniecki

keira knightly?-HA! More like Emilia Fox as Sabina in The Soul Keeper (prendimi l’anima by Roberto Faenza)

sorry, if you’re interested….

(it’s honestly a pity I can’t speak Italian)

February 29, 2012, 7:00pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Did you watch prendimi l’amina. Better (in terms of the mulitude of femine archetypes) is Ich Heiss Sabina Spielrein-based on her archived diaries etc given and published by Aldo Carotenuto.

Spielrein could well have been the one-THE pioneer of Psychoanaysis-the true anima and pioneer of Psycho. Analysis. Any actress-of good or of rot- must invoke the correct archetype crystalizations. Including the abused man looking for his mother (or father) in another man (or father) -so much for the all to amateurish interpretation of the far to often misunderstood castration complexas in Schrebers case and his need for wanting to be a woman (his own absent thereby abusive mother). Not to mention Moritz -the masochist and tyrannical depressive with suicidal destruction just under the surface! NOW TO EXPRESS THIS IN SCHREBER’S SYMPTOMS!!

PS “Did you know?” that it was that wonderful lover of excess pleasure and anything volupturous-Otto Gross that wrote an analytic paper on The Schreber Case well BEFORE Freud!!!! A bit of an academic hush-hush job ‘old chap’-I mean he was/is rather a disgrace to Psychoanalysis/ts. That would never do!! But Gross’s mind was far better (albeit coccained/morphined) than Jung’s ever was!! But he was’t a christian..whoops.

Eitherway your sonic representations of Schrebers so called paranoid schizophrenic madness are very good I feel. Very good Artistic description of symtoms-but as a psychologist/analyticly oriented clinician writer

( I, to my chagrin, am not an artist) search blindly for. what can heal rather than merely describe or make relevant. The relationship between the two can have a wonderfully beautiful, frightening/horriffic shocking (almost humorous) and excitingly volupturous nuanced symmetry. Thats why I love your work of/and the Inst. of ROT (North by North West?) Strange though Spielrein’s paper on Destruction as a cause of Being- the destruction of the “I” as it becomes/dissolves into a crystalline form in a “We” (mmmmethinks a Rotten Passage to Knowledge-spose that depends) comes to mind here. To be simple-surely not a ’cause’ but more a natural transformation like the death and fall of a leaf…er or some rubbish like that…But my play needs what you good people artists have to offer. It needs time-not merely to focus on one person but all those responsible for the dynamic…HECK…this is a real rant…I really apologise-I only wanted to ask about a link to a trailer for the most recent film about DPS…or is to view anywhere? Again SINCERE and honest apologies-I suppose I should delete it or not send it-it probably won’t really be read anyway….but I don’t think I will delete it…and I’ll send it and be damned..Take good care ‘my friend of the imagination’

February 29, 2012,11:34pm Richard Crow

thanks for brave insights as ever…yes need to look at otto gross….why don t you present it- the play on resonance fm, i have contacts there

1:47am Kevin Zdaniecki

I want to present each member of the family-the mother, the father, the brother, the 2 sisters (1 theres hardly anything about – an invisible doll shape or some such simplistic rubbish) as watching Daniel being punished/abused AND Daniel himself watching the same sort of things happening to his brothers and sisters. The mother just standing and watching within her own guilt ridden, sado-masochistic eyes whose God-the Father Moritz-symbolises the identification with her own father (all a bit of a ‘big’ MAYBE-I know-theres no historical evidence about her or her husband Moritz’s family dynamics. But from the far more than intuitive guesswork his masochism AND narcissism must have precipitated and remained rigidly untransformed due to the family/social values and belief systems at that time. Importantly Moritz’s need to manipulate and control(related to his own predisposition to borderline delusional psychosis (look I really don’t like labels per se either!!)-for the greater good OF COURSE/ I torture you because I love you and God’s gift of HUMANITY). But unfortunately Judge Schreber had a perculiarly high intellectual intelligence and sensed how ROTTEN family, society, law values were-for the most part. Moreover he wanted (in the play) to let the bird out of the cage and get it volupuosly whistling!!!! The search for a mother IN the father.

Perhaps he also was frightened that his father would commit suicide if he did’nt obey him AND the guilt Daniel Paul would feel if his father did i.e.”its all my fault” especially losing an essential love ‘object’.

Anyway, thats just a little bit of the possible pathology. What is essential is for the play to make crystal clear that his ‘body’ symptoms, delusions, hallucinations (voices/distortions/visual) WERE SYMBOLIC….of persecution by the family, by society and its taboos, by an Aryan culture. To this end sit a guy in a cafe by a table with a skull called Godot (or Godfry?) sitting opposite a male crossdresser carrying a log thats both a receiver and a transmitter, a Chief Superintendent of police from the castle at Sunnystein -on- Sea (mm-ok whatever) Whose just ‘nicked’ a fella calling himself Marx Hegel who recently escaped from an endlessly claustrophobic place called Eternity. A waitresses called Sabina and Soleme, a bar man called Judith, a jukebox that keeps getting stuck on a track by Leonard Cohen but the club being filled with ‘music’ sonics that change in sympathy with DCP’s thoughts, other tables with Freud, a couple of so. called ‘wounded’ nurses and a chap in a bear skin called Chiron who insists punks are not dead (:’o ) Persephone Googleheim is sitting with Kore the dwarf and his father Faust standing behind Otto Mesopheles Gross who keeps blowing kisses at the Judge whilst mouthing the words in Italian meaning ‘don’t suppress a thing!’ Another table where Fanny Foucault, Loony Lacan, Lingo Chomsky, are hotly arguing about whose turn it is to buy the ROTwine and why they have such an enormously obvious primordial oedipal power struggle problem. Upstairs in this club (the Krazy But Zexy Kommunist Klub-soory I ‘pinched’ that excellent phrase to-sorry you good artists- kay, you and many, many others but that i did is really not relevant) is a Court Room (next to an Imaginary Hospital Cure out patients department-the CURE coming in phases of INDIVIDUATION) where the Judge will plead for his symbolic madness to be understood and not dismissed and to be given his pardon-all the presiding Judges are feminine archetype Actually all of this is very maleable and there’s a lot of sonics and Wagner with whole sections of prose from the Memoirs. But the alchemy of making the destructive, Thanotic, Soul Murder transform into something symbolically made of gold…well thats just the beginning. Don’t forget the log radio…..

I know it seems like rubbish-I think I’ll start a rewrite tomorrow-but each scene is about events in each of the important characters lives and interweaved in such away that they all come to be in this cafe Klub…blah, blah, blah. Believe me its not as boringly simplistic as it sounds…

And yes -why not-a RADIO PLAY-AHA!!! Brilliant idea-I’ll work on that!-Why not an ongoing serial….mmm let me think…..

Ps Otto Gross’s stuff is worth reading I’m told-he was’nt just the drug soaked twat that he’s made out to be -his story is tragic

1:52am Kevin Zdaniecki

WOW the more I think about it -it really transforms things. Thank

you so much Mr C……

March 1, 2012, 8:19pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Mm Of interest maybe: Zonnestein was called Heilenstalt (how fitting!) Started out as a Fortress-became a jailhouse -then a sanatorium (especially for the rich Germans around Saxony that were considered a criminally anti-social or threat etc). DPS COULD have choosen to go somewhere else-‘talked’ into it by his wife (maybe adversely effected from so many still births) and Dr Guido Weber-the guy that would have found it costly to give him his freedom. But Schreber showed not only symptomatic symbolism but very clever, an artistic intelligent and insightful (apparent in his explainations of his own pathology) and his appeal (in the same high court that he was Senatspresident for a time) hit on a legal loop hole that he found (i.e under what precise conditions can a person involuntarily be kept from his freedom-and used his memoirs to do it !). The ‘system’ represented by Weber (who wanted to keep him there for life), his wife and the law certainly seemed to be ‘against’ him. Does’nt help ones paranoia!! Same thing happened to Otto Gross (mothers boy??)-a bright fella ended up in an alley way (2 a warehouse) collapsed from starvation, or whatever, in Berlin. I recommend you read deeply about it e.g.,by Henry (Zvi) Lothane AND others !! NB perhaps by being a woman he could help his wife (to whom he felt a lot of affection for) by giving birth to a son instead of putting her through more misery-well just ba thought. Schreber was an OK sort of fella really (methinks) and really good at chess!!! I even wonder whether or not he had erotic feelings for Paul Fleishig at all!! But ‘The Schreber Case’ is PIVOTAL and relevant today in so many ways. Just look at that horrific castle Sonnenstein and Hitler’s T4 beginning the genocide!!!! (Ref:Schreber: My Germany..etc..Eric Santner). Anyway I am really sorry to bother you again -I’ll avoid doing that again!!

I wrote far, far too much yesterday and now but I really do feel passion for this project. Your Radio Schreber-BRILLIANT!! Thank you for doing it!!

PS I looked into Resonance 104.4FM today and Sound Threshold some beautiful and brave pieces.

8:23pm Kevin Zdaniecki

PPS Did’t you get a really eerie feel from Sonnenstein? I BET!!!!

Surprise, surprise….

April 11, 2012 3:12pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Hooi Richard This might be worth considering. I’ve chatted with Morty (expert on Schreber) and Emmy (Prof. v. Deuzen-a BRILLIANT woman-existentialist). She asked if I might consider a lecture-apparently I think she feels Schreber is too specialised for what she wants-she runs The New School of Existential Psychotherapy-a VERY AWARE lovely lady and artist- she’s worked in French asylums with “schizophrenics” etc etc. But she did give me an opening into what I understand is called Antony Stadlens Inner Circle …lectures, presentations etc in London…PLEASE let me know if your interested-in combining on such a project-then I’ll email him If not …thats Ok…sorry for bothering you. I’m playing with video stuff (for a transformation of the book (HA! more like a trilogy)) perhaps with a sound/sonic track…. but my inabilities are really frustrating me!!!! Surprise, Surprise!! I’m no artist or technogeek…. psychology/analysis is my thing. Love it. Hope to hear from you ….whenever you find time or whatever…

April 12, 2012 6:04pm Richard Crow

hi there, interesting…yes i remember this inner circle thing from last year when Zvi Lothane was in town, and i was curious although the price to attend seems very high ! http://anthonystadlen.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/daniel-paul-schreber-centenary.html, i couldn’t make it (as I was in Venice biennalle with Lucia Farinati) I believe Ivan Ward (from Freud Museum) went as he knows Hans Israelis, and Zvi Lothane mentioned my Radio Schreber piece in glowing terms ! My question is would we get paid for presenting ? in these days of precarity ….

Existential Psychotherapy & Inner Circle Seminars: Israels, Lothane, Schatzman conduct: Locked Up. 3 anthonystadlen.blogspot.comAnthony Stadlen practises his original form of existential psychoanalysis (existential psychotherapy, Daseins analysis) and existential family analysis (existential family therapy). He also supervises and teaches psychotherapy, and researches its history. Since 1996 he has convened the Inner Circle

7:39pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Thats the point exactly….PAYMENT for our work !!! But. I’ll e-mail him and find out what he has to say. (i) did you good people get paid for the “Freud Museum/Sonnenstein” gig? If so we’ve got a good case to talk about the possibility of “dosh innit” etc and (ii) As this could be a great venue for discussion with an exciting exchange of ideas from the brilliant analysts /artists that may attend, I feel this could be a good place to open the opportunitry for a funded UK workshop/video or stage play/participation in presented work and venues over A WEEKEND! maybe. Precarity -agreed, but depending on the quality and relevance of content……well that’s all a tad obvious!!! I’ll contact Morty Schatzman (he knows Zvi Lothane, as well as Dinnage and Hans Israels I believe) or go and see him-see what he says. Of course Zvi (Henry, as I am etc) Lothane remembered your Radio Schreber-it is damned BRILLIANT-ever thought about using it within the Imaginary Hospital?? (iii) Emmy said (Prof

7:56pm Kevin Zdaniecki

contd……. van Deuzen) did say mention her and Morty in the initial email. First, perhaps, if I may I’ll mention (my almost insignificant) then your input to date then perhaps see what we can come up with, one of the problems being, as I said, your an artist and I’m not!

Eitherway if you wish to add anything to this initial message please let me know. By the by may I mention your name? As far as i can make out the potentiality of a springboard for conveying our perceptions of this case et al is more than possible! Maybe not- just have to wait and see! But first things first- how to put this email???

Any ideas………

May 5, 2012 2:27pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Re: Inner Circle Emailing-Book editing now-the play (living between his horrors of madness and his so called sanity)-set within ‘a today’ -gives me sound problems-I’m not an artist (sonics etc) I can’t see/hear it in pragmatic terms. Point is -what do you know of psychoanalytic phenomenological ‘stuff’ ? Whats your take-where does Radio Schreber go (‘descriptive’ I/we know)? Why are you interested in it apart from that? What do his experiences mean/say about you Richard? Silly questions-but it will help the direction (the point of) of the ‘fluchtige hingemacten’ (‘Schreberianism’) interaction of presentation or whatever. I’d love to be aware of that before….Simply-why are bothering to do what you’ve done or will do?

4:51pm Kevin Zdaniecki

There’s little doubt Paul [Schreber] wanted to be famous and widely read. His Memoirs testified to this (thanks to Sigmund). He did become known- but the price? Apart from breaking the architecture of what we think and perceive of what we assume/taught about reality (only perhaps understood in an Imaginary Hospital or Imaginary Asylum); apart from seeing the walls of time and being (who we think we are or our so called meaning) or the vortex’s of time AND living in the resultant twilight existence between madness and sanity-where all dissolves in a vitreous solution and transformed (or crystalized) into another structure (within the confines of sound, social beliefs/ education (taught by, more or less, Institutions of Rot) and politics (ultra right or anarchy-what would the difference be for Paul’s suffering). I can sense how sonic and narrative presentation might if carefully done COULD expose not only the phenonema but the familiy structure” household totalitarianism-to quote Morty” (as an ideological follow through of Ronnie Laing’s ideas (Laing-that self styled guru of schizophrenia) of dangerous patriachal family dynamics (morals, lust, jealousy, emotional abuse/blackmail etc in the name of love,…et al). Its not just Paul, or an appeals court etc that has to be portrayed (with sonics and narratives (however) but that dictator MORITZ!! How could his inevitable very deep depression and isolation be presented? Don’t forget the suicidal son, the daughters, under the thumb mother, female household ‘nurses’! AND what about the adopted daughter-a possible love child of Sabina and Flechsig (NB Flechsig’s photo by Sab’s bed!) Being treated in the asylum exactly like his father abused him! His wife not coming to see him! NO WONDER he thought there was a conspiracy going on! To produce all of that using your brilliant artistic sound approach (+ in depth, well informed, understanding narrative-not simply a take from ‘down under’ all be that brilliant and ‘all there’ -would require AT LEAST a weekend with several Acts and emphasis on the everyday living politics of today (as acummulation of money/capitalistic human values, elitism eg., intellectualism/art (as more than neccesary) money spinning, power etc etc etc. Carefully geared change via a sort of anarchism if you like. Felt I wanted to say this to you-its pretty simplistic and obvious stuff Richard…I now. But I will let yo know as to the outcome of the exchange with the inner circle-and with you making your mark as a Scheberian artist…something interesting is going to come of this ..I

hope..no believe that, I know.. it will

May 18, 2012, 1:42pm Kevin Zdaniecki

RIGHT!…end of my procrastination! Now Action!!! Book -tick.

Massive changes for play project however! Listened to your Radio Schreber VERY carefully! Quite brilliant -and for me promising. For play I want to make video to sync in with audacity dialogues I’m working on. A lot is the Memoirs verbatim..but with twists in effects. Its really hard work-its all new for me! Here and Now… I have to get far more ideas. Paul looking out of a window (eyes closed) communicating with the Rays-or looking at the cracks in the wall of ‘his cell’ with white light – ‘the voices’ becoming more and more distinct (?cafe cackles?)/gods special language/ his transvestite experiences-copulating with god/screams of Sabina during still birth (his guilt-failure??- maybe a crisis of meaning of too much meaning vs validity of values) e.g., as in Institutional ROT-totalitarian family structure or university faculties (esp. law or psychiatry)?/ Either way its the distortion or representation of the sound in his head-of the rays, of his piano, of the trees, the birds. of the WRITING DOWN machine. Help! Anyway, then say hey boys and girls this is not only how I see it but what I want to emphasize- then actors/actresses who. can get into it! It COULD be dangerous for a borderline disturbed person to engage in I suppose. Anyway looking for an old asylum with atmosphere to do this initial video-after that…well first things first. Any apps you could recommend. The camera you’ve got now looks very interesting…but expensive no doubt. Resonance [FM] radio you mentioned?? Could any of this be fused somehow to an Imaginary Hospital?? or Imaginary Hospital Radio Station?? IF you have any inclination or time it would be good if you could get back… or whatever. That reminds me… must contact the ‘fella’ at Inner Circle.

Till later I hope Richard.

May 19, 2012 10:54pm Richard Crow

always interesting to hear your ideas..if i don’t reply [immediately] its because i am thinking, you should do a podcast on all this, i can pass on some sounds to you at some point, i am completely broke now so have to really look at some jobs, or gigs, there is an opportunity to go to Spain to do a workshop on Artaud lets see

May 20, 2012, 11:06am Kevin Zdaniecki

Great…Spain sounds good!! Do you mean a podcast with view to getting folks interested (specifics??)/a sound-verbal presentation or documentary of sorts/a marketing strategy (I CANNOT ABIDE marketing people-they should all be recommended for assisted (if assistance needed) suicide on the NHS! and stuff). Mind you if thats the way to put your ideas out or/and earn a living so be it-On 2nd thoughts selling your soul (reverse Faust??)- or ‘soul murder’- to the Pimps of Capital as so many good (artistic) workers do (motivation for of fame or in vogue-infamy cannot be discounted!). Like psychoanalysts or psychotherapists- the nihilistic whores of mental health if you will. Selling their talent for a ‘pocket full’ of dreams of a resolution to madness, delusions and a sociably acceptable DSM. IV/V diagnosis! Pardon monsieur Richard-getting a bit carried away here-early morning and all that. Anyway I’ve started a few tracks on on audacity of the Memoirs (used a perfect track-Nuits and Cinque Rechants (I-V Group Vocal De France, by M. Tranchant and co.- EXCELLENT stuff!!!!!-well its music to my ears) JUst as background to DPS Memoirs/appeal? You know something Richard it was during this BIT of work that I really began to believe that his adopted daughter was in fact fathered between Sabina and Flechsig.

I mean it fits-large amount of documents in the memoirs taken out or missing-Flechsig’s photo by her bed-her abandonment of Paul when he was in the asylum (medical advice?)-her deep respect (and anger!) with Flechsig- I mean so little is known about her! I suppose its neither here nor there really but it seems she was not as good a mother as DPS was father! Much less emotionally attached to her daughter than the child’s ‘loving, kind’ father. PLEASE keep that under your hat its only an unsubstantiated idea!

Back to podcasting-where do you begin? Which app. (thats possibly open source) if any would be most appropriate? One was recommended to me-BUT THAT WAS NEARLY £500!!!!

Could use it apparently for the video-play thingy. However step for step-how to make the podcast first! By the way the book(s?) are far from completion for self publishing. For example, editing (AND THAT MUST BE GOOD apparently) has yet to be done!! So NO tick there alas! I can’t keep switching from one thing /idea/media to another-I really am not bright, creative or aware enough!!! I’m finding it pretty hard work. I mean, for example, a simple (for you good people) enough thing you might think-but me…HA!

I realise your time must be so, so limited and i understand how busy you are..especially to make a living and build funds etc. So if you wish to skip this right now -thats fine!!

THANK YOU for getting back to me nevertheless.

VERY good luck with your (and friends) projects Richard. I really do wish you every success!!! Tara for now

Ps HIGHLY unlikely but if I can be of any service to you…just ask

June 21, 2012 6:16pm Kevin Zdaniecki

re:schreber: did you speak to one of Anna Jung’s (sister) descendents? Have you actually seen Moritz’s machines yourself?

Zvi Lothane and others may have thought of them as innocuous?? e.g., Says they’re were no anti-masturbatory contraptions to be found yet.

Mmmm!! Lots of reports about his cross-dressing outside of the asylums though. A friend says he will email Zvi…any questions you can think of you have? I REALLY think that using a judge with a female voice (German) was a stroke of brilliant insight…er…or not??

September 9, 2012 10:00pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Hi Richard, i’ve been invited to see Shock Head Soul ….october…looking forward to it! Have you seen it yet? Its described as a ‘documentary’…mm..wait and see i suppose. Listened to your Radio Schreber again…the more i listened the more respect I had for how you did it and the dialogue. The lady judge (from Australia??) was very clear and her German quite understandable.

PS Soul Murder was an actual legal term used in Germany/Saxony in Paul Schreber’s day. talk again soon. all the best

10:06pm Kevin Zdaniecki

PPS you met one of the Jung family at Sonnestein? Lothane wrote a little about when he sat down to dinner with Fridoline (adopted daughter) and her daughter. I don’t know if she’s still living…doubtful methinks

September 11, 2012 8:19pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Richard, have you seen any of Artaud’s techniques used?

8:21pm Richard Crow

trick question?

8:23pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Hee Hee…no ,why do say that? I take it i’m yet again ignorant of something….

8:24pm Richard Crow

just managed to find the italian translation of the memoirs – memoire di un malato di nervi 1974 sounds like a dish in italy they eat “nerves” also birds but maybe not talking birds…

8:30pm Kevin Zdaniecki

NERVOUS ITALIAN/s?? Even the English version by McAlpine/Hunter was incorrect (well…according to Lothane)The original so called higher german version I haven’t tried to read, Its easy to forget that DPS WAS a good writer (…as well?). But the grundspraak of birds…wasn’t a german ray of….

8:32pm Kevin Zdaniecki

But that writing down machine…zuckerberg would be even more jealous and greedy to get that..hee hee

8:36pm Richard Crow

you know the one

have not seen shock head soul yet, from what i have seen online i think i’d hate it…i think only the Bros Quay could make the film of the book of the man.??? you know the bros quay? don’t you?

yes, that looks good in the movie trailer,

(Referring to “But that writing down machine…zuckerberg would be even more jealous and greedy to get that..hee hee”)

it’s a bit like cronenberg’s naked lunch typewriter insect?? no? only the italian’s understand the theatre of cruelty – thats a clue by the way

hehe

in sept i resume work on the demo for the radio schreber cd, i am looking for an italian voice, hoping and praying to meet a rather famous still living camp composer in florence…

sonnenstein was a scary place, i really wanted to enter the old church, ruined, but there simply was not enough time when i was there…

8:43pm Kevin Zdaniecki

I’ve taken Hamlet and Faust dialogue and mixed it up…if radio i schreber as you did it began with the court case…the dialogue produced by the performance and actors would write itself!! The risk of driving the actors psychotic is of course a …..blah blah. Maybe making a couple of Youtube trailers or so then see how many hits etc.

Gotta do /publish SOMETHING Richard…its been going on to long.

In defence though the research (Angie Woods. with offers to email Zvi Lothane, Deleuze & Guatarri ET AL!) PS you must have met Angela Woods surely…she’s brilliant !!. But the documents (letters, hospital notes-Niederland) ain’t easy to come by…

8:45pm Richard Crow

when i was there [at Sonnenstein] i asked Zvi [Lothane] if it was possible to visit the rooms inhabited by Schreber, but they [the building itself] were being renovated, everybody was too well behaved to pursue further…

yes, angela is great, h-madness blog…yeah you have to get it out! are you in touch with Eric Santner? i have his address somewhere, i gave him some cd’s

8:59pm Kevin Zdaniecki

As things get closer to actually producing something you’re suggestions, help would be unmissable!!!!!But the rooms he occupied were probably virtually physically bare. Yeh I must get it out…but theres so much…sorry, what madness blog? Is it the hearing voices thingie that she’s into? I thought narrative was her thing at the mo. So you didn’t get to see his rooms…surprised they’re still there…must be his ‘pollutions’….But when I was talking to Morty (Schatzman) it seemed zvi did’nt think Moritz [Schreber] did’nt traumatise Paul that much…I DON’T believe IT…Moritz was a deluded psychotical depressed homicidal so and so …well excuse my stigmatization…its just Santners ideas of his teachings being a forerunner to Nat[iona] Soc[ialism] were very clear + the symbolic investiture + the tying in with Certeau’s Knowledge passing by way of ‘the rotten’…sorry ranting again…but I really do feel passionate about all this stuff..

9:05pm Richard Crow

yes of course, it all adds up but but…i havent actually seen any of those moritz machines, not sure exactly where they are, or if they have been re-created, by the way i recorded pretty much all of the conference, there was meant to be a special edition of a journal dedicated to schreber the zvi was co-editing and he asked all of us to contribute…but i left it too long to send any “work” for it…shame, would love to see the issue

i confess i haven’t read niederland

9:20pm Kevin Zdaniecki

When a performance (not de Bords hehee) becomes much closer your help would be unmissable. I think a weekend workshop would be too much and I bet that great Australian lady (Anna???Voice of judge-brilliant move there RC) is back in Australia…EXACTLY neither have I or Morton but they must have been pretty restrictive.

Yet his brother probably topped himself due to the late stage syphilis (such shame on the family)…and Anna Jung seemed quite happily married to her husband (Judge..surprise, surprise) and was the only one that seemed to care about Paul, his mother didnt even ask how he was (e.g., writing to the Asylum Board) and even his supposed loving wife Sabine Behr was more than reticent to put up with him again. On the other hand his bellowing miracles, secret cross dressing, severe moods and possible delusions (still there), 6 miscarriages etc etc must have been a bit too much to take for her.

She wasn’t the brightest seed in the bunch and from her letter to Doc F[lechsig] seemed very childish and dependant (as was the case for so many women at that time). But back to Paul’s subjective- experiential phenomenology …therein lies the rub!!!

9:22pm Kevin Zdaniecki

I was trying to write my thoughts too quickly…sorry the linguistics are so terrible..

September 12, 2012 4:37pm Kevin Zdaniecki

IT HAS TO BE ARTAUD’S TECHNIQUES!!! I am sure you know of his work esp Theatre of Cruelty I apologise for bothering you again…but as far as using this mixture of sound, dress, occupied space, actor AND audience sort of ‘alarming’ participation is an area that few of the people I know have experienced-meaning I can’t talk about with them. So, sorry I hope you understand. This mixture possibly taking place around the audience and Memoirs in which the actors MUST believe!!!! To produce a sort of truly shocking experience for all in this mixed undefined architecture where any message has to lie between the thoughts + words of the memoirs/faustian dialogue/appeal court words to fight his tutelage and the physicality (e.g., his wish to cross dress + experience erotica as a woman)

5:32pm Kevin Zdaniecki

I had written more but it suddenly vanished…sorry I won’t bother you again until I’ve got something concrete to hear (podcast) or/and see (U tube trailer) Apologies to disturb you once more….

November 15, 2012 11:14am Kevin Zdaniecki

Have a great birthday Richard!!

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November 16, 2012 9:25pm Richard Crow

do you have a copy of shock head soul, can swap for Dark City

9:42pm Kevin Zdaniecki

What? Swapsees? 1) Dark City’s on youtube (full movie) ..seen and enjoyed it 2) sorry haven’t got a copy of shock head soul…got an invite to see it this weekend followed by a discussion with Simon Pommel, Helen Taylor R., Sabbadinni (analyst-played in it I THINK?), and with my schreberian ‘expert’ friend (and I suppose me if wasted people’s time and joined in from the audience). But i’ll see if there are copies available if so i’ll get you one if you want or we could swapsees with some other movie you’ve got…er….i’ll write up about it and how it went etc…if your interested in any way……

What you do for you bday Richard? Good time?

10:44pm Richard Crow

well now, you should record the discussion after, i haven’t seen the film hence the request, and i dont think i’ll like it…but you never know.. glad you liked Dark City, of course its better on the dark screen, i think the only ‘film makers’ that could enter into the schreberian symphony would be the bros quay (circa institute benjamenta) and /or Jan Svankmayer , how is your ‘play’ going?

10:44pm Richard Crow

or cronenberg of course

November 20, 2012 12:24am Kevin Zdaniecki

It was interesting seeing. Simon and the others and their perspectives on so called outsider art. Alot of work went into it especially the Sputnik effect-the writing down machine. Modelled on The Malling ?? typewriter that even Nietzsche used. There are 50 still left today?I tried talking to Simon about the funding-apparently came from the Wellcome Trust for a large part anyway. Helen (Robinson) told me to try Amazon for a copy and I learnt a DVD will be out in Dec 12th…share costs or something. I agree with you I saw a few holes I could pick in it. I asked what he/we wanted from schreber really……..

12:26am Richard Crow

no bootleg then

haha

12:27am Kevin Zdaniecki

I WISH but………….

12:27am Richard Crow

i am working on databases tonight so cant really chat but my fb posts are me taking the air really

12:28am Kevin Zdaniecki

ok take care..want to share one of you posts (reggae)..ok?

12:29am Richard Crow

thinking that you can’t hear yourself speaking in pubs these days…friend’s birthday, old men drinking pubs sad haha

12:30am Kevin Zdaniecki

I’ve little time for Fbk stuff now…very late at nite at the mo..too busy… Isn’t twitter a better stepping stone?

12:31am Richard Crow

yeh, next year I’ll leave and migrate to a page. yeah suppose so

12:32am Kevin Zdaniecki

or australia…old men in pubs! Heeeeeeee

12:32am Richard Crow

been there done that it all depends on whose buying i will return to the schreber material in dec, demo for cd release,

will let you know…

12:37am Kevin Zdaniecki

Sent the T shitt back!… Yeh exactly it really does depend on whose interested! Working on the stage stuff in 2/3 weeks as a taster maybe?The books OK!!! Goes a against the psychiatic, diagnostic grain (politics of experience etc. A give away….

December 7, 2012 8:29pm Kevin Zdaniecki

I really recommend Eric Santner’s My Private Germany. HE IS BRILLIANT!!!!

What did ya think of Fuske’s (spelling?) body boundary presentation at Sonnenstein. I might try to get a copy of Shock Head Soul…if I manage it I’ll let ya know..

December 12, 2012 12:16pm Kevin Zdaniecki

rEALLY WOULD/MUST TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE sCHREBER PERFORMANCE rICHARD…when?????

tHINGS ARE MOVING !!!

December 17, 2012 7:40pm Kevin Zdaniecki

EXCELLENT!!! Richard. Just listened to you and Anna Scheer ‘voices’ broadcast-to be presented in Coventry? It really fits with my/our work which essentially places Daniel Paul in his appeal trial-READING HIS MEMOIRS as his defence-a lot more complicated than that. Bringing ‘politics of the fragment’ to the forefront. (Could we use the ‘hospital’ at Coventry?)…I can see the problems with that already….

8:09pm Richard Crow

kevin, your getting confused…again(!) no, i no longer have access to the hospital its been demolished…good luck with what ever it is your up to… julian p. hobbs film is now online in its entirety, i am assuming you have seen it….?

8:14pm Richard Crow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwwR4UlHhA8

MeofmyNerIll

http://www.youtube.comMemoirs of my nervous illness

9:58pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Thanks Richard. Yep, seen it some time ago. I thought it was good…but didn’t emphasise enough important issues. Love story with sabina…TICK. The real persecution by dear ‘ol Morritz (even via Flechsig treatment)..TICK. Voluptousness/jouissance/sexuality…TICK Relationship of Moritz to Action T4…unclear.

Symptom representation/MEANING (esp. of his delusions…very poor. The all important writing down machine…not mentioned! That he was the subject of God the Father’s abuse not clarified.

Sonnenstein, apart from referral to Weber, …not elaborated!

Regression of neuroscience/ psychiatry/psychoanalysis today to 100 yrs ago not made clear. Nothing changing in diagnostics over 100 years or so not really clarified.(or his psychotic experience e.g., fleeting impoverished beings called humans, the echolalia, his catatonic experience. My confusion ? hehe…yeh without doubt exists!!!!! Ps So the venue is in Italy?? Sounds great!!

Luck and help I NEVER refuse. NB But that sound recording/your ‘artistic’ approach fits perfectly with my/our production!!! It’s hoped it will emphasize Deleuze/Guattari (e.g., Anti-Oedipus)/Laing and anti-psychiatry /eg nietzschian anti-theology (good) views and a stand point of such madness being in large a product of mad families, society and micro- and macro- politics etc The stuff behind the household totalitarianism (+despotic control) that Schreber grew up in (and now….(with luck…enter the iconic rebel HA!) The film did not even really touch on false/ ‘un-false’ sanity and the relationships of the ‘rotten’ symbolic investiture of institutions which certainly triggered Daniel Paul’s mad experiences (apart from that inherent in losing the Reichstag elections!)

So using the narrative of the Memories, sound and photographic art etc etc is what I’ve been working on and what it is all about. Did’t Know exactly how much time this would take!! Sorry…. all of this is probably boring for you Richard But I have passion for it……anyway take care and good luck with whatever endeavours you choose…Tara

December 22, 2012 1:53pm Kevin Zdaniecki

Visual and performance artists coming over from France next week. International expert-Morty S who i know as friend and professional colleague willing to give time/advice. He knows Zvi (Lothane) et al and can email for input or whatever! Have an actor who wishes to play Schreber, Iast scene at trial with slow mo hallucinatory voices sound crafted if you’re willing!!! Perhaps an overnight workshop project. Begining scene for trailer (or even workshop) in the closed rooms of all the patients bellowing (people heard but not seen). With Jewish symbolism eg dead roses or whatever with someone playing Wagner (OR DON GIOVANNI HA!). Staged with court judges talking to him while he reads his text out in his defence and desperation of his tutelage being rescinded. (in German ??-the judges not the text) The voices could be like being in a cafe. Simon (Pummels) idea of elaborating on the sputnik effect but when I talked to him he seemed to voice other ideas of this Writing Down Machine. BUT all in all the other issues [are] symbolic investiture failing, triggering the first illness, his father’s child rearing methods corresponding to Paul’s delusional content, the apparent irrelevance of Lacan’s signifier etc etc, Freud’s own identification EVEN Certeau’s ideas, by what I believe you also called, institute of rot. The forerunner of a pure aryan race (Mein Kampf) and the politics of the fragments within the text can be so clearly shown using various medias. Time will limit ALL the offshoots and complexities!! I don’t know how long the French artists will be around…are you interested in meeting us all for a chat?? Just been told one possible very suitable venue the NHS will not allow us to use or are planning to sell it on. Given the time frame your input and possible help would be invaluable My email.. kzclipsy@gmail.com…a fairly prompt response would be more than appreciated or tips…whatever! I do understand how busy you must be right now but if you haven’t got bored with Schreberianism please consider it at least. THANKS Richard…

3:55pm Richard Crow

sounds intriguing, yes i am super busy as always…let me know how it goes, seasons greetings

December 22, 2012 9:03pm Kevin Zdaniecki

it is!! thanks Richard most certainly let you know how its going or the probs (obstacles, fall in our/my enthusiasm/energy/ideas etc….if thats ok) Seasons greetings back

Conversation ends..

In 2013 Richard Crow invites Drs Kevin Zdaniecki to deliver a lecture/presentation on Daniel Paul Schreber at A Rotten Corpus – Institution of Rot (1993-2013), symposium, held at Goldsmiths University, London, 11/6/2013.

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